Khizr Khan on What Patriotism Requires

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🗓️ 3 November 2017

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Since the 2016 election heightened America's deep political divides, the mantle of patriotism has become fodder for a bitter tug-of-war. Is it patriotic to leak a presidential secret? To voice dissent during a national rite? Should a general running the White House be deferred to or defied? In this episode, Atlantic journalists Krishnadev Calamur and Sigal Samuel talk with Khizr Khan, the Gold Star father whose stirring speech at the 2016 Democratic National Convention touched off a famous feud with the President-to-be, about what sacrifice means to him, and why America is worth it. We also hear from a couple veterans who offer their own perspectives on patriotism and military service. To share thoughts, feedback, and questions on the show, leave us a voicemail with your contact info: (202) 266-7600. Links: - "The Anguish of John Kelly" (David Graham, 10/19/2017) - "Kneeling for Life and Liberty Is Patriotic" (Conor Friedersdorf, 9/25/2017) - "Why Cede the Flag to Donald Trump?" (David Frum, 9/24/2017) - "The Tragedy of the American Military" (James Fallows, January/February 2015) - "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory" (Radio Atlantic, episode one) - "My Parents' Country, in the Grip of the Shabab" (The New York Times Sunday Review) - "Look at Tiny Baby Hank" (Vlogbrothers) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:25.6	Rethink, the branded content studio at the Atlantic, and Howzer and Worth.
0:30.3	In the weeks leading up to Veterans Day, the question of patriotism has resurfaced again and again in American life, from NFL games to the White House briefing room.
0:39.0	We've seen dueling claims over what it means to be patriotic, to dissent, to sacrifice, to serve, what does patriotism
0:47.4	require?
0:49.2	And who do we consider a patriot?
0:51.8	This is Radio Atlantic.
1:09.0	The news has been filled in recent weeks with a host of questions about patriotism and sacrifice.
1:15.4	This week we wanted to talk about what it means to be patriotic, what it means to serve
1:20.0	one's country, and how the two relate. In a moment we'll be joined by my esteemed
1:24.2	co-hosts Jeff and Alex but first I wanted to introduce our colleague Krishnadeo Kalamore,
1:29.2	staff writer for the Atlantic. Hey Krish editor you recently had a conversation
1:39.8	with one of America's most famous gold Star fathers, Kieser Khan,
1:44.0	whose stirring speech at the 2016 Democratic National Convention
1:47.7	brought him to national attention.
1:50.0	Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery?
1:54.0	Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending United States of America.
2:02.0	You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities.
2:10.0	You have sacrificed nothing and no one.
2:20.0	His middle son,
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