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Today on Roon Soup, we are speaking to Houdou and shamanic practitioner, teacher and activist Kai Armand.

Kai, thank you very much for your time.

Thank you so much for having me. Well definitely a pleasure.

Question number one, traditional first question,

Kai, were you a weird kid?

I think I was a weird kid. And I think I was a weird kid and I think I used to think I was a weird adult and I think I've changed my story around that and have begun to tell myself and weird in some ways you know weird I think

has layers to it weird is definitely an element of self-perception, a bit of double consciousness, you know, how,

where does my self-perception intersect with other people's perception of me?

I was weird in a different way than I'm weird today. I was weird because I grew up very

evangelical Christian. Actually before evangelical Christian I was Apostolic Christian in my earliest days. So Christianity was a huge part of my identity. I know a lot of people,

Christianity was just something they did, they went to church, they learned some things, maybe they didn't agree.

And then, you know, things just sort of faded out. I think for my younger brothers, it's that way. I don't think that it was as a as fundamental for them as it was for me in my

earliest days as far back as I can remember, Christianity and the church experience that I was having was

so fundamental to my sense of self, my worldview. my world view

uh... and that continued right into my adolescence

and was that something i mean was it a fairly charly church sort of family

or did you were

were you just kind of like the rigorously Christian kid in in your household?

Well you know no it really wasn't I so my parents they didn't really come into

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