From the campus of Hillsdale College in Hillsdale, Michigan, this is the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, bringing the activity and education of the college to listeners across the country.

Here's your host, Scott Bertram.

Hello again, everybody, and welcome in to another edition of the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour.

On this episode, we'll talk with Khalil Habib from Hillsdale's Politics Department about

civics education and grade school and high school. Michael Goodwin, chief political columnist

at the New York Post and Fox News and Fox Business Network contributor contributor will tell us about the downfall of the New York Times.

And Jeremiah Hodgshire, Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of Hillsdale Hospital, will talk to us about the struggles of small rural hospitals in the age of COVID-19.

Join by Dr. Khalil Habib, Associate Professor of Politics at Hillsdale College.

Dr. Habib, thanks for joining us.

Thanks for having me, Scott.

A discussion with you today about civics requirements in education.

We just saw a recent bit of news, a report from the National Center for Education Statistics,

history and geography test scores are not looking good.

A quarter or more of America's eighth graders are what are defined as below basic in U.S. history,

civics, and geography.

Betsy DeVos said the U.S. Secretary of Education,

only 15% of them have a reasonable knowledge of U.S. history.

Students don't know what the Lincoln Douglas debates were about, nor can they discuss the

significance of the Bill of Rights, or point out basic locations on a map, that all according to

Education Secretary Betts you DeVos. Why is it important in your eyes for students to learn about civics?

It's not just important in my own eyes that students learn about civics. One of my favorite

books, and I recommend it to everybody, is entitled What the Founders Read by George Nash. It's

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