That's where I've gotten so much freedom and anxiety is daily learning how to be vulnerable and say, this is what I'm feeling today.

The only way that you offload is through vulnerability.

Because I think a lot of guys aren't in themselves pretending in the sense that I'm trying to pretend like I'm strong.

I think a lot of guys are just going, this is the way life was meant to be.

That's where the nervous breakdown comes from is I'm carrying so much stuff that I don't see an end in sight. How long do I have to

keep carrying this thing that's overwhelming? This last 10 years since 2014 have been so much

redemption where I've been learning how to stop pretending and actually show them where I'm at.

You know, it's a paradox.

It's me giving my strength and my weakness.

God is a lion and he's a lamb.

Yeah.

He's tender and he's strong.

I am so excited about this conversation I had with my lifelong friend Jason Vallatin.

He has been an advocate and an ally to me and Melissa, to our community, and to the 18-inch

journey for many years. This conversation previously aired on the Brave Coe podcast, which is a phenomenal resource that Jason has created

for the hearts of men. You can learn more about that in the description. In this conversation,

me and Jason share about our own battles with fear and with anxiety and how we've learned

to overcome anxiety through vulnerability and through honesty.

And as I was listening to this conversation, I was listening back to it and I was thinking, gosh,

I wish I could have heard this conversation in my 20s.

And that is the passion behind why me and Melissa started our school, the 18-inch journey,

is we want to give young men

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