All right, guys, we're going to jump right into this episode five of Convicting a Murderer.

I'm looking at the Shadow Online.

A lot of people have now been converted to the Stephen Avery is guilty committee, which

I have been hosting.

I am the head of the Stephen Avery is guilty committee.

And obviously, because we finally jumped into what is at root with the $36 million lawsuit,

I'm here with Brandon Tatum, perfect person to have here, former police officer, to kind

of take us through.

But you found to be weird, what you found not to be weird.

The first thing that I want to say right off of the top is that police officers rarely

conduct a perfect investigation.

I don't know why of every field and every category of job and living.

People understand that mistakes happen and things are not perfect.

When it comes to police officers, it is like you better have done everything perfect

or else you're a dirty cop and there seems to be nothing in between.

Right, I think that is the the misnomer when it comes to the public and them not knowing

exactly what is involved in investigations.

It's a very broad perspective.

There's a lot of moving parts.

There's a lot of people involved, a lot of technical things that go on.

And most people don't know that unless they do ride along or they are part of the police

department.

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