On this podcast, we believe that all albums are either summer albums or winter albums.

But what defines them?

The lyrics, the music, your personal relationship with the record?

Summer album, Winter Album is a musical debate podcast with Jody Avergan of 538, 30 for 30 and

Radiotopia, and Craig Finn of the Holdsteady.

Each episode, Jody and Craig offer their opening arguments, and then with the help of a guest, explore one of the greatest albums of all time. Then, a verdict from the artist. New episodes twice a month. You're listening to NR Headphones, and I'm Eby Stokes, your host today. I'm really excited to have my friend Carlos Cruz here with me today. Hi,

Carlos. Hello. Thanks for coming by. Anytime. So you are a videographer and a producer, a video

producer at K-E-XP, and you see hundreds of live performances every year in our live room,

and then you travel to various locations around the world.

So last year, what, you traveled to like Mexico, Spain, France.

We did Spain and Oakland and also rent France.

Wow.

Yeah. Not a bad gig at all.

In fact, I would say you have a pretty fucking cool job.

Yeah, it's pretty good.

Yeah, I can complain.

How did you get started at K-EXP?

I started as a volunteer.

I was a portrait photographer, and that's what I did most of my time.

I also did music videos outside of this.

And I heard about the opportunity, and I kind of jumped in it and worked out.

Who have you made music videos for?

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