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In Our Headphones

KEXP DJ Kevin Sur on New Zealand singer-songwriter Mā

In Our Headphones

KEXP

Music, Music Commentary

4.41.1K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Kevin Sur, co-host of KEXP’s indigenous show Sounds of Survivance, talks with Evie Stokes about Mā’s new album opener and single, “Decay,” featuring Mato Wayuhi, a multidisciplinary Oglala Lakota artist from South Dakota. Mā’s album Blame It On The Weather, is out now on Meeting House Records.

Hosted by Evie Stokes
Produced by Lilly Ana Fowler
Mastered by: William Myers
Production support: Serafima Healy
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0:00.0

From Independent Music Station, K-E-X-P, you're listening to In Our Headphones, a podcast about the songs that we just can't stop listening to.

0:07.6

This is Eby Stokes, and this week I'm talking with DJ Kevin, Sir.

0:11.6

So, Kevin, you are one of the hosts for K-EX-P's show Sounds of Survivants.

0:17.7

Hello.

0:18.2

Hello.

0:19.2

You chose a new track to share with us today.

0:21.6

What you got?

0:22.6

We have, the song is called Decay, and it's by the artist Ma.

0:27.6

It features Matawaiyouhi, which is, he's a Glala Lakota artist that is most widely known as being the music curator for Reservation Dogs,

0:41.2

wrote a lot of the score and the music for that show, but is produced and done a lot of work for TV and film.

0:47.3

And he actually reached out to me with this new single because, like, Sound Survivance is kind of on the mind of mind of like a lot of indigenous musicians now. It's making a big difference. And he went to New Zealand to Altaireot and contributed, collaborated with this artist named Ma. I know I was a background in jazz and a number of things, but sent me this single that they're both on, which is incredibly

1:11.5

unique because it represents a little bit of sound survivance and that connectivity between

1:15.4

different indigenous people that I want to achieve because it has words in Teoreo Māori,

1:21.9

the Māori language, as well as words in Lakota.

1:24.6

So you have two opposite sides of the world, native people who share a struggle, sharing a song, but also subtly in there are their shared words from their respective languages, which is quite beautiful. But if you like Mumu Fresh, if you like that kind of vibe.

1:54.3

Ma, this album, the whole album is really wonderful, and this was just the first single on it,

1:55.5

and I love the collaboration.

1:59.4

This is the first that I've heard from Ma, and this song is beautiful.

2:01.6

Do you want to talk about the song itself at all? Yeah, it's kind of interesting because it is a song just very much about introspection. Ma uses the word

2:10.3

mocos, which is the word for like the traditional native tattooing that Māori people get, similar to Hawaiian people we call Uhi.

2:18.3

So she often says, what will I, in one of the key, like kind of vibe, she says,

2:23.3

what will I leave for my mokos?

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