Hi, this is Jen Saqui from MSNBC's Inside with Jen Saqui.

How do you take an unprecedented election that could see a criminally indicted

ex-president take on the current commander-in-chief.

How do you win crucial down-ballot races that will ultimately shape the power dynamics for

whomever wins the White House?

And how do you win over voters of any party when mistrust and leadership is at an all-time high?

Claire McCaskill and Jennifer Paul Mary, the host of a new MS- NBC podcast, How to Win 2024,

have some ideas. They're two of the most well respected voices in American

politics today and have firsthand experience winning difficult, if not impossible, races.

Claire McCaskill was the first woman ever elected to the US Senate from

Missouri and she won as a Democrat in a red state at that. She also knows how to

win at the state and local level serving as a county prosecutor and in the state

House of Representatives. Not only does Claire know how to win her own races, but she

knows how to pick a winner, becoming one of the first senators to endorse Barack Obama in January 2008.

Jennifer Palmary is considered one of the most accomplished communications advisors in U.S. politics.

She served as White House Communications Director for President Obama, Director of Communications for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign,

and White House Deputy Press Secretary for President Bill Clinton.

Having worked in the White House for 12 years,

shows a unique understanding of what it takes to get there,

how exactly U.S. presidents need to operate,

and how to manage unexpected crises.

Jen is also a best-selling author and the co-host of the political

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