What is up theology nerds? This is Tripp. And guess what? Today on the podcast, you're going to hear a conversation I had with Dr. Kevin Carnahan. He's professor of philosophy and religion at Central Methodist University. He's been the editor of the Journal for the Society of Christian Ethics,

former president of the Reinhold Niebuhr Society. And hey, one of the only theologians and ethicist I know,

rocking TikTok. And yeah, well, we're here to talk about Christian realism. This conversation is an exploration of that

framework of Christian realism. It's history from Augustine all the way to Reinhold Niebuhr.

What is it like to think with and in that tradition of Christian ethics? And honestly,

here's why. Recently, in the last few years, I've returned more and more

to the work of Reinhold Niebuhr between the rise of Trump, my growing disappointment and Biden,

inaction on so many pressing issues. I just thought maybe the kind of optimism that I'm oriented towards naturally is problematic.

Maybe there's more to learn from Reini and the perspective that he's kind of inspired and shaped.

And Kevin is an excellent articulator of it.

And we have a bunch of fun in this conversation.

Plus, we talk about laundry and Fabriz.

And my frustration with just Duke in general as a Wake Forest alumni and the ACC basketball fan.

But this is a fun one, and here's what we're going to do.

We're going to have this conversation about Christian realism, and here's what we're going to do. We're going to have this

conversation about Christian realism, and then Kevin's going to come back on soon, and we're

going to use that framework to think through what's going on in Israel, Palestine, the violence,

and that issue. A number of y'all have kept asking, like, Trip, are we going to talk about this?

You're going to do something about it. And, you know, I tend to do episodes that are, you know, evergreen is the internet word. You know, ones that kind of come back to over time. But I thought, let's spend some time looking at this perspective and then talk to Kevin, who's also published a whole bunch on like just war theory and these

kind of things, and then try to apply it and how does that help us process theologically

what's going on currently. But this is a bunch of fun. I hope you enjoy it. Now, before we hop

into this interview, I want to say two things. Number one, in a few weeks, we are going to launch our next

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