From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the home edition of the treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

My guest, gleaming and sweating shirtless in the valley somewhere

is the creator and star of hashtag Black AF. You may know him from being on the show three years ago

for a show he did a call. Let me check my notes. Oh, yes, Blackish. Of course, I'm speaking to Kenya.

Barris, Kenya, so good to have you back. Thank you so much for doing this.

You too, Big Dog. Thank you so much for doing this. You too, big dog.

Thank you for having me.

Not even close.

Well, let me, here's the thing I think is really interesting about Black AF, which is,

it reminds me this thing that people say in my neighborhood, which is that he may be loud,

but he's not always wrong.

That's right.

I'll take that.

But you know what I mean?

Because each episode, and you end up being around, a lot of people who say, you know, it's all about slavery.

And, you know, it may be repetitive, but it's not wrong.

I will openly debate people that it's, like I said in the show, it's it is my North Star and I can

you know find my way back to most things.

Like how are we going to erase 400 years of generational trauma, you know, and expect, you know,

they say it takes two to three generations for things to normalize, you know, us to get used to two guys kissing or used to this or whatever. How are we going to, what's a generation's

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