Welcome back to the podcast. I'm Alexander Rogi, and I'm joined today by an author who has written several books that combine adventures in Africa, political intrigue, and for our purposes, corruption. Her first book, in the footsteps of Mr. Kurtz, she describes a story of Mabuto's

rise and fall. Her second book, I Didn't Do It for You, helps readers understand the situation

on the ground in Eritrea. Her third book, which we'll be discussing today, has been described as a

cross between Le Carre and Solzhenitsin. It tracks the story of Kenyan corruption whistleblower,

John Gittango. Both John and the book will be known to many of you. It's our turn to eat,

the story of a Kenyan whistleblower. John exposed the Anglo-Leasing scandal in Kenya, which

implicated government at the highest levels. Michaela Rung, thanks so much for joining me.

It's a pleasure.

So your book is about corruption and it's set in Kenya,

but the story really centers on John and follows him from his role,

as Kenya's anti-corruptions are,

to ultimately standing on your doorstep in London, afraid for his life.

Can you tell that story for us? How did you come to know, John?

I was working as a journalist in Nairobi for the Financial Times.

And that's when I first met John Githongo, who was also a journalist.

And he was writing opinion pieces.

And I very much

enjoyed his opinion pieces and so I invited him to lunch and we slowly became friends.

And he always had interesting things to say about Kenya.

And as years went by, I noticed that he had gone from being a journalist to being a very active

anti-corruption

campaigner.

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