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Welcome to the Quillett Podcast.

I'm Jonathan Kay.

Today my guest is Kenny Shoe, that's spelled XU,

a Quilett author whose forthcoming book is called an

inconvenient minority, the attack on Asian American excellence and the fight for

meritocracy. And by inconvenient what Schu means in part is that Asian Americans

don't fit in well with the intersectional narrative of racial oppression. On almost every

imaginable socioeconomic indicator in fact, Asian Americans actually outpace white Americans.

It's a great success story, but one that often gets buried in the media, as it conflicts awkwardly with the narrative of white supremacy.

Moreover, as Shoe explains, many Asians feel pressured by progressives to explain their success

by reference to what is sometimes called white adjacency. The idea here is that their success wasn't fully earned but rather was a kind of gift from whites.

It's a dubious and condescending idea and one that requires them to acquiesce to disadvantages

in, for instance, college admissions.

Should join me this week to discuss these topics.

Here are excerpts from our conversation.

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