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Subscribe now at Bloomberg.com. Thank you. Welcome to this episode of Kennedy saves the world.

And today we're going to talk about a man who saved the union twice.

My sexy dead boyfriend, Ulysses S. Grant. You know how I feel about him? I've made my longing known and the man who has written the book about it. A man whose career trajectory is almost identical to mine, going from Enfantiribla cultural icon to a serious internationally renowned newsperson. Brett Baer is here. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So it's really, it's identical. Almost. That's good. So Brett, you've written this great book with Catherine Whitney. I don't know who she is, but I don't give her as much credit as I give to you. Well, she's wonderful. It's a great team. And a researcher named Sidney Soderberg, the same team working on the last four history books. Wow. So you really are a presidential historian. I don't know when you find the time to do this. That's what always amazes me. Drugs, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Selling them, consuming them, whatever it takes, the proof is in the pudding, even if it's

meth-fueled, to rescue the Republic, Ulysses S. Grant, the fragile union, and the crisis of

1876.

Fantastic book.

When did you become interested in Grant?

So, you know, the last series of books, it was Eisenhower and Reagan and FDR Churchill and Stalin about the beginning, middle, and end of the Cold War.

And it was the speeches that were overlooked in history.

And I decided that was a really good way to look at it through a soda straw of something that I thought history

maybe didn't touch on enough or overlooked in some way. Well, Grant's presidency is that because we

think back to Grant as this great general, but his presidency has not talked about it, or if it's

talked about it's talked about in very negative ways. And there were

really consequential things that happened in his presidency that I thought were needed to be focused on.

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