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Kendra Licari Unmasked | The DARK Psychology of Netflix's Unknown Number

Hidden True Crime

Hidden True Crime

True Crime, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Documentary, News

4.81.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 September 2025

⏱️ 91 minutes

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Summary

**SPOILER ALERT** In this episode, we take a deep dive into the complex psychological portrait of Kendra Licari, the Michigan mother whose anonymous text-based cyberbullying of her own daughter, Lauryn, and Lauryn’s ex-boyfriend, Owen, shook communities when exposed in Unknown Number: The High School Catfish. To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to http://nakedwines.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN for both the code AND PASSWORD. About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello everyone. My name is Lauren Matthias and this is Dr. John Matthias, my co-host of

0:08.4

Hidden Chew Crime, also a criminal psychologist and I am a former broadcast reporter,

0:16.8

still a journalist, once a journalist, always a journalist. And we're here to break down what all of you

0:23.3

have been requesting us to do. I mean, we're talking requests after request after request every day,

0:31.2

multiple requests a day for us to break down the unknown caller, the latest Netflix documentary that has all of our heads spinning.

0:40.8

By our friend, Sky Borgman. Sky Borgman directed it. Well done, Sky. It's left us all

0:47.1

kind of crazy. Spoiler alert. If you have not watched this documentary and you don't want to know how it ends

0:59.3

go watch it come back and here we are so there will be some spoilers in this episode and with that I also want, babe, you look very dapper tonight. I can also say that

1:15.6

because not only are you my co-host and a criminal psychologist, you're also my husband. So don't

1:20.6

worry, everyone. I can say that to you. You look pretty dapper yourself. Look at the, have I seen that necklace? I don't think

1:31.3

I've seen that necklace. It's a sweater, so no. Oh, it's a sweater. Okay. I haven't,

1:37.7

I haven't seen the sweater then. Yeah. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. There was clearly

1:42.3

some competition for me tonight with you looking so nice. So thank you.

1:46.8

Yeah. And so that's that's exactly what Kendra experienced.

1:54.0

Kendra Likari.

1:55.9

Kendall, yeah. That's exactly one of the issues that Kendra-Lakari has struggled with and struggled with right

2:04.9

in explaining this this particular crime certainly that's that's something we need to consider so but

2:12.5

we'll get there we won't get there right away.

2:19.2

I don't even know where we start.

2:20.5

Do we start with the spoiler?

2:24.2

Do you want to start with the spoiler or do you want me to?

2:31.3

Why don't you start with the spoilers since people can take it out on you?

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