Pat Sullivan here to remind you to stop putting screens on your gutters. Better to schedule a free estimate with the local experts at gutter helmet. So you stay off the ladder. Visit gutter helmetindy.com with gutter helmet. You'll never clean your gutters again. gutter helmetindy.com. Casey, I don't know if you heard. There were some big doings in the Indiana State House yesterday. Yeah, I did hear that. The vice president was here. Oh, right. Yes, J.D. Vance was in town. Now, you don't know specifically what they talked about. I mean, you have some vagaries. Like, they talked about redistricting. Yeah, and probably a lot of things. And nothing says transparency, like shutting the door on reporters, putting a giant curtain up. Right. And not letting anybody see what's going on. Yeah, exactly. But luckily, we got guys. Yes, we do. All across the fruited plane, we got guys. And one of our guys, he writes for Politico as well as puts out the Importantville newsletter. His name is Adam Wren. He joins us Now, Adam Wren, hello. Good to be with you.

All right, so let's start with you. You had two interesting pieces yesterday in Politico related to this.

First of all, before we get to what might have happened yesterday, Mitch Daniels came out and came out pretty

forcefully against this. Tell us about your piece in Politico involving Mitch Daniels.

Yeah. So, you know, essentially, as all of this started to percolate over the last

few days, and my reporting shows that this has actually been building for three or four weeks now.

You know, the White House reached out to, you know, their political operation reached

out here to folks in Indiana. They, you know, essentially said, what do you guys think about this?

You know, Braun started talking with the leadership on the third floor of the State House.

And the answer, you know, came back.

There's not a lot of appetite for this. And so, you know, they went back to the White House.

The White House came back and said, well, you know, let's all sit down, get in a room and talk about this.

So even though the reporting seems to have come out of nowhere over the last

week about this redistricting session, this has been unfolding for a while now. And, you know,

I wanted to call up former Governor Mitch Daniels to see what he thinks, because he was really

the architect of the current supermajorities in the state Senate and the state house back in, you know, 2010.

And beginning then to pass his ambitious, you know, education and other aspects of his agenda.

And, you know, he presided in some ways over the creation, what led to the creation of the max. And I reached out to him because he also wrote this fascinating op-ed in the Washington Post during our primary that we had, the big gubernatorial primary last year, essentially criticizing

all the candidates saying that they didn't seem to be talking about real substantive

ideas.

Right.

And in some ways, almost conceding that he regrets the supermajorities in the House and

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