93 WIBC. It is the Kendall and Casey show. I'm Rob Kebs here. Casey's out today. Brad

Kloppenstein in for Casey and well, Mike Pence. Boy, he is getting really good at making

more and more people hate him by the day. And well, Brad, that's just brings a little

song right into my heart because that is little respect for the man who used to sit in your

chair on this show. Our ratings are much better than his word, Brad. Don't disrespect

this show like that. And look, this is a, it is interesting. It has been very interesting

to me because in real time over the past several months, people have begun to see what

I have been telling them Mike Pence was for the better part of a decade. And that is

a guy who is totally interested in himself in his own ability to rise up the political

ladder. And while a guy that was great at giving speeches and telling you how the world ought

to be, I found him void of any sort of intellectual curiosity necessary in order to enact

good public policy, which is why you cannot tell me one signature thing that Mike Pence

did, either as a congressman or as a governor that you would look at and go, wow, that was

really great. Towards the end of his congressional service, he was fairly good. Obviously, he

was trying to raise his own stature as well. But he was good about rallying conservative

troops saying, all right, we, there's a different path to success here. And I think that kind

of launched him into becoming Indian a governor. And he came in on the heels of Mitch Daniels.

And the world was his. All he had to do was govern like Mitch Daniels. And there would

have been a statue of him somewhere on the statehouse grounds now. But instead, all he wanted

to do was talk about social issues and or talk about nothing at all. Well, and you know

the vice president and you know this. And this is the problem. Like Mitch Daniels was

a business guy. And there's a lot of things Mitch Daniels did. We talked about him on

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