Pat Sullivan here to remind you to stop putting screens on your gutters. Better to schedule a free

estimate with the local experts at gutter helmet. So you stay off the ladder. Visit gutter

helmetindy.com with gutter helmet, you'll never clean your gutters again. Gutterhelmetindy.com.

Allegations of public corruption with one of Mike Braun's political allies. It's The Kennell and Casey Show.

I'm Rob Casey's here.

This is an incredible story, and we have an incredible guest to help tell it.

And the story involves Tom Kleinhalter.

He is the sheriff of De Bois County, I think what most people would say,

a close political ally of Governor Mike Braun,

and an investigation into public corruption the

state police launched last year that leadership at the time felt was pretty strong and then

once Governor Braun became the governor and a new state police superintendent was named,

the case mysteriously went away. Who's fired up about it? He's the former superintendent of Indiana State Police.

You know him. His name is Doug Carter. Doug joins us now. Doug Carter. Hello. Hello, Rob. It's good to be with you.

And this is a case that I'd been aware of for quite a while now. And it had been on my radar. And when I

reached out to you and we, we you talked about the passion you had for this and how important it was for the public to know about it.

And we'll get into the details of it here in just a moment.

But first of all, just kind of let everybody know.

Obviously, you're not the superintendent of Indiana State Police now, but you were when this investigation was launched, and you felt passionate enough about it now,

even though you got nothing other than caring about the public involved in this. Why are you

speaking out today? Well, Rob, it's really pretty simple. I've always tried to live my life above reproach and

above even a perception of impropriety. And a lot of things happened on my watch. I was the

...