Boxer turned bouncer Viv Graham was one of the northeast most notorious hard men.

It was huge, you were strong, we could take anybody out.

Not many men on earth could match Viv Graham.

But his life of violence led to his downfall.

Why did it happen?

Why did they do that?

How did Viv Graham build an empire?

It was the power, the presence, the aura. And who was he, really?

Gangster, the story of Viv Graham.

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You're listening to BBC Sounds. A very warm welcome to a bonus edition of the Scrumified Podcast and today I'm delighted to be joined by a man who has played more than

270 matches for the Scarlets, 91 matches for Wales, two Lions tours for Six Nations titles and one of, if not

Kamavan Athletics finest export. Just don't want to me, sorry Alex Kuthbertbert I've never given you such an introduction on this part despite being a regular guest

There's still time still time yet Ken Owens, thank you for joining us. First time on the pod since you retired. How are you?

Yeah, I'm good, I'm good. It's been busy, it's been nice. I've still got a lot of tests and doctors appointments still

so hopefully I can continue with my rehab at some point and that's not to get back play the end just you know to get a bit of normality back so I can I can start exercising again and losing a bit of weight.

The reason I'm talking to you this week of course is because your documentary,

Ken Owens, a sheriff has been broadcast 9 PM June the 2nd, so that's Sunday night on

S4C. The doc starts, Ken, in September 2023, you're struggling to get out of bed to do quite

mean you're things like brush your teeth.

So take us back to then and talk us through the injury and you know how important was it to show

I guess the reality of being a pro rugby player because you said when you're retired if you'd written the script

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