Industry is a show about a lot of things. Yes, finance, failed IPOs, coke binges, sex in the workplace.

But it's also a show that asks really big questions, like what makes an anti-hero?

When does a man tip from toxic to terrifying? And if you're always chasing power, how come you aren't happy when you get it? Well, Ken Leung is here to talk to terrifying. And if you're always chasing power, how come you aren't happy when you get it?

Well, Ken Leung is here to talk to us.

He's one of those actors, like, where you think,

where have I seen you before?

Rush hour lost.

But you're never going to forget his performance on HBO's industry.

Because for four seasons,

he has portrayed the character of Eric Tao,

an epic, an epically toxic trading floor bully.

He's hanging out, snowy day in New York, all the plows are beeping in trucks in the background,

but we really dug into industry and I want you to stay with us.

I am curious because for people who don't know I want you to stay with us.

I am curious because for people who don't know, the plot of industry originally started out with investment bankers, and it's broadened its scope over many seasons to be kind of

what I would call capital I industry, right? Each season might be something about a little

different, but it's really about

the business world and the people who are in it. One of the things that's intriguing about this

character is he speaks softly and carries a big stick. Yeah, that's accurate. Physically and

psychologically. Physically and psychologically. Okay. I think the bat is interesting because...

Like he, just so we know, he had a physical wooden bat. The first season of the show.

And menaced the other sort of characters around. And just imagine you doing this in a white collar

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