TED Audio Collective.

The machines don't have to work.

It's just like, I want to fly.

I think human beings want to fly.

Someday they'll fly.

Here are some ideas of how they might fly.

And guess what?

We do fly.

From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

On Design Matters, Debbie talks with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about, and working on.

On this episode,

Ken Burns talks about his new film on Leonardo da Vinci. He's the bees knees. There's nobody

like him. This conversation was recorded shortly before the election. Leonardo da Vinci is probably

the most famous painter who ever lived.

He was also a great architect, a great military engineer.

He was a great cartographer, a great scientist, inventor, botanist, and otomist.

He's probably the person most of us think of when we try to think of an example of a genius.

He's been the subject of fascination since the 15th century.

Ken Burns' latest film is about Leonardo, and it's the first time he's taken on a non-American subject.

His career started with a documentary about the Brooklyn Bridge,

and he and his collaborators have since chronicled the Civil War, World War II, the Vietnam

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