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Thanks, folks. Welcome to Eric Matax, a show. Guess what we're going to talk about today?

Did you guess religious liberty? If you did, I don't have any prizes to give you, but if you did,

you were right. I have an old friend on the program today for the hour. Kelly Shackleford is the founder

and head of First Liberty Institute. Guess what the first liberty is. Kelly, welcome.

Thanks for having me, Eric. When did you found First Liberty?

Well, I really started this whole effort a little over 30 years ago.

Just fresh out of law school and corporate federal judge. You're just a kid. What are you talking about?

That's actually seriously. That's amazing. Firstliberty.org is obviously how people

can find it, but you guys do what? A number of organizations that I mean, I'm such a big fan of

people who are putting their brains and their efforts to fighting for religious liberty, but it's

always strange to me that we have to fight for religious liberty in America because for years,

it didn't seem like we had to. We're in a new day. We are. The battles I had 30 years ago are very

different from the types of battles that I have now. They're more hostile. There's a lot more of them.

I mean, seven years ago, I think we had 40 cases. Last year, we had 300. It's our first freedom.

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