Keir Starmer - the unlikely leader of the free world?
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🗓️ 6 March 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
A shouting match in the Oval Office probably should have been on everyone’s Trump 25 bingo card - but the extraordinary breakdown in relations between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy shocked the world. Keir Starmer rolled up his sleeves and spent the weekend in full-blown diplomacy mode - leading to Politico calling him the “unlikely leader of the free world”.
But with Trump pulling the plug on military aid to Ukraine, leaving the UK and Europe scrambling to increase defence spending - will Starmer’s peace plan work? And what does it all mean for the future of the war? Coco and Nish discuss.
With International Women’s Day this week, Political Editor at PoliticsJoe Ava-Santina Evans calls in to discuss what the government has achieved when it comes to women’s equality.
And with less than one in five young women identifying as a feminist and self-described feminists like Kemi Badenoch calling maternity pay ‘excessive’ - Coco wants to know if changing labels and groups would make a difference. Author Sophie Lewis digs into the true heart of feminism and how we can reclaim it.
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Ava-Santina Evans
Sophie Lewis
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Pod Save the UK. I'm Nish Kumar. And I'm Cocoa Khan. And I notice you're not wearing a suit today, Nish. Very disrespectful. Well, I'm on tour in New York as we record. But by the time people listen to and watch this show, I will be in Washington, D.C. And I do not have a suit and tie with me, and I imagine I'll be heckled by J.D. Vance from the audience. |
| 0:23.7 | Though I would say, given some of the material, I'd be surprised if my clothing choices were the biggest problems he had for the show. |
| 0:29.7 | Can you imagine if J.D. Vance came to one of your shows? |
| 0:34.7 | I can imagine it, and it ends up with me in a in a Trump branded gulag. Well, listen, today |
| 0:41.2 | we promise is not all going to be about Donald Trump. We're going to be chatting to Politics |
| 0:44.7 | Joe's political editor, Ava Santina Evans, about the government's policies for women. Are they |
| 0:49.5 | making people's lives better? And later, I'm talking to feminist thinker Sophie Lewis about how the good |
| 0:55.4 | name of feminism has been tarnished by some no good reprobates. It really gets my heckles up, |
| 1:00.5 | like J.D. Vance, looking at a man in a sweatshirt. All right, everyone, straight to the biggest |
| 1:07.4 | bombshell of the week. Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky's meeting last Friday |
| 1:12.2 | was an absolute disaster. Ben and Tommy from Pots Save the World even called it maybe |
| 1:17.5 | the worst meeting in the Oval Office ever. And I always think at these junctures, it's worth |
| 1:22.8 | turning to the great modern political thinker Homer Simpson whenever we talk about what's going on |
| 1:27.3 | in the US right now. So I'd suggest that it is in fact the worst meeting in the Oval Office so far. |
| 1:33.1 | I'm glad you were with that Homer Simpson quote and not like nuts and gum together at last. |
| 1:39.3 | But anyway, we're going to assume that you're all mostly up to date. |
| 1:43.3 | So as a very, very brief summary, |
| 1:45.6 | the shared press conference got derailed, totally derailed after a journalist implied that Zelensky |
| 1:50.9 | was disrespectful for wearing his trademark army fatigues. And there was an intervention from |
| 1:56.0 | JD Vance that suggested he hadn't been grateful enough. And then that led to Zelensky |
| 2:00.5 | attempting to correct him, you know, presumably in the style |
| 2:03.2 | of Macron and Starmat earlier that week, which was fine then, but it didn't actually go too well. |
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