Why do you feel like the sacredness of the journey is so important?

Trying to understand how do these medicines work.

They're focusing in on the mystical experience.

And it's kind of unfortunate because that's only one piece of it.

I'm Dr. Amy Robbins and welcome to life, death, and the space between podcast.

I'm a licensed clinical psychologist and medium, and here we explore life, death, consciousness, and what it all means.

When I got the outreach for this next guest,

I was so excited because I interviewed Rachel Harris before years ago, probably in my first

season on her book listening to Iwaska. And at that point, I was in a very different place in my own journey in terms of

understanding I had never done any psychedelics. I had very little reading and research on it.

But I was starting to get very curious about the psychedelic space and trying to understand it in terms of another mode

of healing for people. And so I'm really so excited to have this conversation today because

I feel like where I am and trying to understand this is hopefully only going to help each of you

deepen your understanding

of the beautiful healing power of plant medicine. So today I have Rachel Harris back with me.

She's the author of the new book, Swimming in the Sacred, Wisdom from the Psychedelic Underground,

and also listening to Iwaska which was her previous book

rachel is a psychologist who has been in private practice for 40 years and spent 10 years in

an academic research department where she published more than 40 scientific studies in peer review

journals and received a national institute of Health New Investigators Award.

Rachel is here today to talk about her book, Swimming in the Sacred, which I'm so excited to

dig into because, first of all, welcome back.

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