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Kailene Schaefer is the author of But You're Still So Young, How 30-somethings are Redefining Adulthood. Kaleen is a journalist

and also author of Text Me When You Get Home, which was widely praised as witty, timely, nimble,

Essential and More by outlets such as L, Washington Post,

New York Times, NPR BuzzFeed, and many others. She also wrote the best-selling Kindle single

memoir called Fade Out. Her work has appeared in the New York Times, Vanity Fair, the New Yorker,

Vogue, and many other publications. She currently lives in New York City. Welcome, Kately, and thank you so much for coming on Mom's Don't Have Time to Read Books. Hi, Zivie. Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. I know that we're here to talk about your latest book, but you have also written Text Me When You Get Home about female friendship. And your latest book is about, but you're still so young, about 30-somethings. But I just finished reading Fade Out about your search for your brother. And now I'm like obsessed with that story. So we have to talk about that too. Yeah, of course. That's, I mean, that hasn't been brought up in a while. I wrote that in like 2016, I think. It's so good.

Well, can we start by talking about that?

And then we'll get into your next book.

Yeah.

So it's a Kindle single, which I had never actually even heard of before because I'm not,

I don't have a Kindle.

So that's interesting.

But it was a very short, almost like a novella about your brother and his disappearance and how close he used to be and your search for him and Jared Lido. And I mean, it was really great. So just tell me a little bit about that. And then I kind of want, maybe you shouldn't say it on the bottom. I want to know like how things are with him now and like what happened after the story. So, well, a Kindle single, I don't even know if they do them anymore, to be honest.

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