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We even discussed how there could be a flight risk before then it happened.

Maybe that's why I wasn't so surprised when I went to the door and they weren't there because I was worried about that the whole time, but we didn't get a chance to go back to court, even discussed that kind of thing yet.

That's actually probably what would have happened on that Friday afterwards.

But that's one thing I can say to anyone who gets a change of custody is immediately put in there that the person's a flight risk because that way if they do take them and don't come back from a vacation, you can immediately get an umbrella immediately and then they'll be able to stop them right away because it's a way to set this idea that oh, it's the mother and she's fine, but you know, we'll just wait until she comes back from vacation and not issue a warrant.

I guess it didn't really help because they didn't find her, but you know, it could have helped.

My daughter acted a lot different around me than she must have run Heather because I had her stories about her being this very delicate and weak child and when she was with me she was very strong, open, smart.

You know, she wasn't afraid to say her opinion. She was very happy to do things. She's very helpful on the house. Very much the peacemaker between all the girls and always wanted to do things and maybe around Heather, she had to be around Heather all the time, but when she was here she was very independent.

Nothing like what I had been told in court. Very surprising all those things that I was told.

On July 4, 2017, while Americans all over the United States were celebrating Independence Day with Barbecue's fireworks and quality family time, 9-year-old Kayla Unbehon was spending time visiting her mother in Wheaton, Illinois.

The following day her father, Ryan Askerka, left work and went to pick up his daughter.

However, when he arrived at Kayla's mother's residence, Kayla and her mother Heather were nowhere to be found.

Heather's father and uncle told Ryan that Heather had taken Kayla camping in Wisconsin, but Ryan knew that something wasn't right and immediately called the police.

In the 18 months that have passed since that day, Kayla and Heather have not been seen or heard from again.

Amarissa and from Wondery, this is episode 166 of The Vanished. Kayla Unbehon's story.

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Kayla's father Ryan had met her mother Heather when the two were young and working at Walmart together.

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