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I continue my conversation with the journalist, filmmaker, writer, K. Rubichick.

We are talking about your films and about your book, Who Are China's Walking Dead,

a personal journey into the strange world of communist culture and officialdom. Let's talk about that.

You chose to talk to the people doing the persecuting. How did you get to them and how did you get any of them to talk?

I found some who had defected and one of them had spoken to a newspaper and so I thought,

okay, that's a starting point. I can try him. And so then I had to gain their trust because

so many of them looked at me and said,

young white woman, you know nothing and you will never will.

Basically, that's how they saw me for majority of them.

So I really had to go in there and once I could actually get them to agree to agree to talk to me.

So just a lot of them, a lot older males, majority of them.

I just said, you know, please treat me as a niece or a granddaughter and just, will you

just teach me?

Just teach me.

Because I had all my concepts of, for example, I spoke to a man who ran not just one

slave labor prison camp, but multiple in China. He ran them. He was

responsible for them. And I expected him to tell me things that, you know, that this was a bad place

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