Katy Bowman & Dr. Diana Hill: Recognizing and Eliminating Barriers to Movement
The Ready State Podcast
Kelly Starrett & Juliet Starrett
4.9 • 623 Ratings
🗓️ 15 May 2025
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
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Most people don’t struggle with movement — they struggle with the mindset around movement.
In this episode, psychologist Diana Hill and biomechanist Katy Bowman break down the real reasons so many of us stay stuck in sedentary loops. It’s not laziness. It’s not time. It’s our mental patterns:
“If I can’t do a full 45-minute workout… why bother doing anything at all?”
This is the all-or-nothing trap. And it’s silently keeping millions of people from ever getting started. In this conversation, you’ll learn how to identify your personal barriers to movement, shift the way you think about progress, and create a more flexible, self-compassionate relationship with your body.
Whether you’re a parent, a busy professional, or someone trying to reclaim your health — this episode will help you stop waiting for the “perfect” workout and start making every bit of movement count.
What You'll Learn in This Episode- Why rigid beliefs around exercise are blocking your health
- How psychological flexibility aids in eliminating barriers to movement
- Why “not enough time” is a myth that keeps you stuck
- How to break free from perfectionist, all-or-nothing thinking
- How to build a lifestyle where movement happens naturally
- Tools from ACT (Acceptance & Commitment Therapy) that actually work
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | So much of our movement patterns, our eating patterns, we overlook the psychology behind it. |
| 0:05.9 | We just sort of get 30-day plan and we go for it and then we wonder why can't we follow through on it. |
| 0:11.0 | When we're psychologically inflexible, we're also avoiding discomfort. |
| 0:15.2 | There's a lot of different types of movement that can meet some of these needs. |
| 0:19.7 | And there's a lot of different ways of distributing |
| 0:22.2 | this movement. Because if you have this like inkling thought that it doesn't count, then how are you |
| 0:26.8 | going to do it? To me, that's sort of one of a thousand examples of psychological flexibility, |
| 0:31.6 | especially in this fitness space of just saying, hey, you know, I can do something for 10 minutes |
| 0:35.1 | or 20 minutes or I can do five times 10 minutes throughout my entire day and that all counts. |
| 0:39.8 | But that really is an extreme mind shift for people. |
| 0:42.7 | These six processes of psychological flexibility have been shown to be the primary skills that are needed to make behavioral change happen and for it to be sustainable. |
| 0:57.5 | Haiti and Diana, welcome to the Ready State podcast. |
| 0:58.4 | Thanks for having us. |
| 0:59.2 | Great to be here. |
| 1:00.9 | Okay. |
| 1:07.0 | Yeah, I'm going to jump right in here because everyone knows that I'm a Katie Bowman fan. |
| 1:11.0 | Yeah, and this is your second appearance on the Ready State podcast, which we haven't had a lot of doubleheaders. So thank you for being twice. Rarified movement nerd error. And Dr. Hill, |
| 1:18.3 | I have been recently feeling like that if I had to do it all over again, I would become a |
| 1:23.5 | sports psychologist. Performance psychology, talking about how to have people believe in themselves, have resilience. |
| 1:32.8 | And in this generation, in this time, we are drowning in tools and tactics. |
| 1:38.0 | And yet somehow there's still all of these barriers getting people to think differently about moving their bodies. |
| 1:45.7 | And I am so thrilled to talk about your new book today. |
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