I am thrilled to today's guest, Caddy Kay. She is a cohort of mine, part of the Morning Joe family. She's one of the smart ones. I'm one of the silly ones.

Former BBC Anchor, current special correspondent for BBC Studios. Author, this is her fifth book that's coming.

Am I correct?

Fifth book on women empowerment and assurance and confidence,

all things we're talking about.

The book is the power code, more joy, less ego, maximum impact for women and everyone,

co-author with Claire Schittman. Thanks for taking the time, kid. Thank you. Thank you. This is going to be, you know, I'm slightly I'm slightly trepidacious because I've heard such great things about being on this podcast that I'm hoping that you know we have a full therapy session and I come out wiser and happier.

Well, Willie has very graciously said on the air several times that he's been on the show.

I've been on my podcast and I'm the most well-prepared interviewer he's ever had.

I don't know if I can live up to that, but we'll start with that.

So you know I did a little history.

You went to five schools growing up, wow.

I went to five schools in the space of six years.

I went to more than five schools so between the

ages of ten and sixteen I went to five different schools in three different countries

in two different languages. So how much did that shape? You've been on a mission to first you

you the big area you've been working with for most of your books is confidence now you're

taking on power. How much of that kind of was

was seated with you as a young person having to kind of always show a new level of

confidence or a new level of acceptability or a new level of power.

I mean, do you think the seeds were born there?

Yeah, that's a good question.

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