Rahm Emanuel has been one of the most influential figures in democratic politics for decades now.

He has served as a congressman, White House Chief of Staff under President Obama,

mayor of Chicago, and most recently, U.S. ambassador to Japan.

Now, as Democrats search for a path forward after the party's devastating losses in 2024,

Emmanuel has emerged as one of the most prominent voices, arguing that the party needs to rethink

its priorities. He's called for major reforms to higher education, shifted his thinking on

issues like U.S. support for Israel and warned about the dangers of getting distracted

by culture wars. As speculation about 2028 grows, Emmanuel has been refreshingly candid about the fact

that he's likely throwing his hat into the ring. I spoke with him about the state of the

country under President Trump, the upcoming midterms,

how Democrats lost the plot, as his kids say, and what he thinks it will take to get his party back on track.

Rahm, when you think about...

Katie?

Well, okay, I know.

Ram Emmanuel, good to see you no rom's okay mr ambassador can i

may i call you rom you should see what i answer to at the house yeah and this is a family channel i

won't go there but rome is cleaned up okay Well, then I'll go with that.

You know, I think about when I got to know you when you were working for Barack Obama, and I even did a profile of you for 60 minutes.

And I wonder how you make sense of a world, of the world today, versus what the world was like.

Two o'clock on Thursday.

Yeah.

At one level, it makes sense.

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