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All eyes are on Minnesota as Americans watch what has been unfolding in an effort called Operation Metro Surge now in its second month.

Two people have been killed by federal immigration agents, and the tactics of ICE are being met with outrage

and disbelieve by not only protesters in Minneapolis, but by people all across the country.

It's against this backdrop that Governor Josh Shapiro has written a book called Where We Keep the

Light. In it, he explores an increase in political violence, including his

own experience at the governor's mansion, the polarization that is rupturing America, and the

future of the Democratic Party. I asked him what he hopes readers will conclude about where he

stands politically and his ambitions for 2028. I'm really excited to see you.

I don't think I've talked to you since COVID, and I've been desperate to have a conversation with you.

So thank you for me and this as you put your book out in the world.

I'm grateful. Thank you. I'm glad to get the chance to have a conversation.

I remember we had so much

fun. I know it seems incongruous, but we had a lot of fun talking during COVID. So looking forward to

this conversation. So Governor Shapiro, as you well know, books like this are generally put out in the

world for candidates to introduce themselves to a national audience before they announce they're perhaps

running for president.

So before we get to that, what do you hope readers conclude about where you stand politically

after they finish where we keep the light?

I'm sure you're going to ask me about this, and you'll probably be skeptical when I say this

and maybe even smirk a little bit. But when I set out to write this book, it really was not to make a

political point. It was because I saw this real clear division between what's happening in the media,

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