Hey everybody we've got a great show for you today with the legendary Katie Couric and I just I have to come to this I succumbed to a caricature of Miss Couric I think back in my Republican operative days and she was charming and an interesting thoughtful so I think you're really going to enjoy this

conversation I just wanted to share a couple quick programming notes for you guys

people have been asking about the next level Sunday interview I've been doing.

I'm going to be trying to do interviews like that here in this space on Wednesdays like

this one with Katie Kirk that's off the news cycle a little bit and take a broader

picture about career arcs or that issues that I care about or

interviews like we did last week with Dean Phillips and so if you're looking for

news of the day, Flamin Hot Takes on Wed, go over to the next level feed on your podcast

Appa Choice with me, JVL and Sarah. We are still going to be popping over

there every Wednesday. On top of that, if you haven't listened to Sarah's focus group this week,

the focus group podcast had a group of black voters that have some doubts about Biden,

as well as two-time Trump voters close some doubts about Trump.

It was super illuminating.

I've already seen it cited on Morning Joe and Pod Save America,

and so it's influencing the conversation out there.

It's illuminating. Make sure to check out the focus

group this week lastly we do have two podcast for subscribers only the secret

podcast with Sarah and JVL and just between us with Mona Charen and special guests.

I gotta tell you, every time I pop on to a secret podcast, it's a little freeing.

You get to work out some maybe half-formed thoughts, and I think you get a more full picture of how we're thinking

about the issues today so if you want to support the bulwark that's the way to do it you just go to

the bulwark dot com forward slash free. You can get 30 days for free. You get access to

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