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To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Katie Couric: Dolls, Alcatraz, and Narcissism

To The Contrary with Charlie Sykes

Charlie Sykes

News Commentary, Politics, News

4.9719 Ratings

🗓️ 8 May 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Katie Couric joins Charlie Sykes to unpack the psychological underpinnings of Donald Trump’s political appeal and the enablers around him. They explore the disconnect between populist rhetoric and billionaire influence, the crumbling state of local journalism, and why media coverage struggles to keep up with an administration governed by chaos. With stories of real-world consequences, they examine whether dignity, truth, or economic pain can still break through the political cult of personality.

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T's and C supply. Welcome to this episode of The To The Contrary podcast.

1:50.8

I'm Charlie Sykes, joined by someone who needs no introduction whatsoever, Katie Couric.

1:55.7

Katie, I've done your live stream, so this was kind of a turnabout I thought was fair play.

1:59.8

So thanks for coming on.

2:01.3

Absolutely. I'm so always so happy to see you, Charlie. And thanks for having me. You are, I think,

2:08.2

one of those voices of reason and calm and not necessarily a predictable voice, but somebody we really need to hear from. I always so appreciate

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