Meat tastes good.

cheese tastes good.

I love cheese pizza. I love tuna on the grill.

It's just taste.

We have allowed our taste buds to trump our inherent kindness, to trump our mercy, to trump our compassion and in doing that we are making ourselves sick and

fat and shortening our lives.

Hi, this is Elizabeth Novogratz.

Welcome to Species Unite, the podcast where we talk to people who are

fighting some of the hardest fights on earth to stop the unnecessary suffering

of animals. I'm really excited to share today's conversation. It's with Kathy Stevens. Kathy's the

founder of the Catskill Animal Sanctuary or CAS for short. It's based in upstate

New York and she founded it in 2001 with a mission to rescue farm animals,

ignite social change to end their exploitation and to champion vegan living.

I did this interview with her at Catskill Animal Sanctuary and now in 2019 it's home to

more than 300 animals including sheep, goats, pigs, cows, horses, ducks and

chickens. She's the author of two books where the Blind Horse sings and Animal Camp lessons in love and hope from rescued farm animals.

And she's also one of the best voices on veganism that I've ever had a horse farm, but we grew up on a horse farm, but we grew our own cows and pigs and we named them. We had two cows

named George and Ed and dad had them slaughtered and we ate them Black Angus where the cows were.

How was that for you like as a kid?

Well I don't know if you're familiar with Melanie Joy's book Carnism why we love dogs eat pigs and wear cows it was

absolutely that it was absolute compartmentalization. I love my dogs, I love my cats, I love my horses, I love my

goat mini and noodles that I would sneak into the house, I love my pony that I used to sneak into the house when my parents were not there.

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