On Tuesday night, we held a live taping at the Gramercy Theater in New York City.

It was a great night.

I sat down with New York Governor Kathy Hochle for a conversation on stage, and today we're sharing it with you.

You can watch the interview on Spotify.

Enjoy. So, Governor Hokel, this is a live

taping of the journal podcast. Thank you so much for being here. And because it is a live taping,

I am now going to read through our classic journal-style podcast introduction. So Griffin, please

hit me with that theme swell.

A divided Democratic Party, confrontations with President Trump, a federal crackdown on immigration,

and now a government shutdown. New York Governor Kathy Hokel is in the middle of it all.

Tonight, she's with me to talk about how she's facing those challenges and what's at stake for her party, her state,

and her own political future.

Live from the Gramercy Theater, welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power.

I'm Ryan Knudson.

Coming up on the show, a conversation with New York Governor Kathy Hokel.

Governor Hockel, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

I wanted to start out by talking about the government shutdown, which as of this conversation has been underway for a full week.

Where is New York feeling it the most?

Well, we are feeling it in many ways.

First of all, we have unemployed federal workers.

We have tens of thousands of federal workers in our state, so that's a real

immediate impact on it. But also, the fight is about health care, and we're having to send out

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