Welcome to the Eric Mettaxas show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Hey there, folks. I've got a lot of special guests on this program. Unfortunately, today, the best we could do is Kathy LeGifford. Kathy, welcome.

Because she has nothing else to do. You got nothing to do, Kathy. Kathy, you're one of those people I told you this before. You just, you make me happy. I start cracking stupid jokes because that's the wavelength of Iran.

Well, you better.

But that's the wavelength you're on, that you're funny, you can do schick, you can sing, and then you write books.

And so the reason you're in the studio today is not to sing, although perhaps you will.

I might break into songs.

Ladies and gentlemen. Pray might break into songs.

Pray that I don't.

What do you say?

She ain't what she used to be.

But you have a book out.

So that's ostensibly why you're here.

But I've known you for quite a long time.

Yes.

And you are a woman of faith.

And the thing that I say to people, and I've said this for years,

I don't know if I've said this to you publicly,

but what I've always felt we needed in the culture,

and I've always wanted to try to be one of those people,

is a public figure who is openly Christian and whenever I talk about that I immediately

go to you because I think who has been out there over the years who has just been leading her

...