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walking the dog. Here's Kate and Ray Ray.

When you were at Smash Hits, when you were editor of Smash It's, it was during that period that you, I guess,

sort of

your skills or unique selling points is you you're very warm and engaging in people like you and that

like ability is sort of a currency, you know, in the...

Thanks. My move into Telli was not anything that I instigated and I went to Telli to become a producer not to become a presenter but presenting

was the gateway that was off that was was kind of put before me by a really

lovely smart woman who'd contacted me.

When I was at Smash It's my job there obviously was editor but I was really trying to turn around some very, very

declining sales you know so my job was to be the face of the brand as

well as in charge of the brand and you were also doing things like you would have

the spy skills would come into your office and sing for you.

All of that stuff was brilliant, but I also had to go out and do things like talk to news at 10,

become a commentator around popular culture to push the awareness of the magazine so that advertisers saw us.

And it was about the business of the business, which was a lot to get my head around at that age.

But with that came a little bit of

attention I suppose from other producers and I suppose I was new and shiny it's like

oh who's the new 21-year-old over at Smash Hits that is in the trade press like the Press Gazette had written about me and you know I suppose I was a bit of a one to watch at that time maybe and then people started offering me TV shows like loads of TV shows not like I don't do

telly I don't do telly I'm I'm an editor how dare you and then this one woman just

wouldn't let it go and her name was Trish Powell right we didn't know each

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