Kate's Secret | "Honestly" with Writer Elan Mastai (504)

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🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 97 minutes

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On today’s episode of That Was Us, we’re diving into Season 5, Episode 4: Honestly. This episode explores how patterns repeat across generations: from Kevin confronting childhood pressures and insecurities, to Randall stepping into mentorship and turning an uncomfortable moment into purpose, and Kate and Toby navigating the early steps of adoption. Plus, Mandy, Chris, and Sterling have fun in the studio chatting about sleep training, how their style has changed, and of course they also welcome 504 writer Elan Mastai to the podcast! Elan talks about how this show came into his life, what it was like moving from Canada to work on the show and how he dealt with that during Covid, and some of his most memorable and impactful moments writing for the show! That Was Us is produced by Rabbit Grin Productions. Music by Taylor Goldsmith and Griffin Goldsmith. ------------------------- Support Our Sponsors: - Find Unreal products anywhere cravings hit, including at Whole Foods, Target, Costco, and other grocery stores Visit https://UnrealSnacks.com/TWU to get $2 off a bag of Unreal. Terms and conditions apply. - Share a little extra love this February and wrap yourself, or someone you care about, in comfort that truly feels special. Head to https://cozyearth.com and use our code TWU for up to 20% off. And if you get a post-purchase survey, be sure to mention you heard about Cozy Earth right here. ------------------------- 🍋 About the Show: The stars of This Is Us, Mandy Moore, Sterling K. Brown, and Chris Sullivan, dive back into the world of the Pearsons, reliving each episode and all the life lessons that came with it. Together, they dig in and dig deep, have the tough conversations, bring in very special and familiar guests, share never-before-heard behind-the-scenes moments, and feature listeners in highly anticipated fan segments. Join your favorite family back in the living room to examine our past, cherish our present, and look to the future with new episodes of That Was Us every Tuesday. ------------------------- 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:32 Discussion 00:57:44 Interview 01:36:25 Outro Executive Producers: Natalie Holysz and Rob Holysz Creative Producer: Sam Skelton Production Coordinator: Andrew Rowley Video Editor: Todd Hughlett Mix & Master: Jason Richards Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	On today's episode of That Was Us, we're diving into season 5, episode 4, honestly.
0:16.0	This episode explores how patterns repeat across generations.
0:20.0	From Kevin confronting childhood pressures and insecurities to Randall stepping into mentorship
0:24.7	and turning an uncomfortable moment into purpose.
0:28.1	And Kate and Toby navigating the early steps of adoption.
0:32.5	Can I ask you guys, did either of you guys sleep train your children?
0:37.2	So if you want to get, I was going to wait until we got to like that part of the thing,
0:39.8	but-
0:40.8	Well, it kind of comes right up with Jack and Rebecca.
0:42.8	So, okay, Jack and Rebecca having a tough time getting sleep.
0:46.8	Because evidently Kevin just won't, right, fall asleep.
0:50.8	He has not learned how to self-soothe.
0:53.8	Okay. Which will be the theme of his life. Yeah. He soothes with other things. Self-soothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trying to figure out how to do that. Here's a, so you're asking the question. I have a, here's the anecdote. So Andrew, we believed in sort of like, co. Who is your eldest? my son, who is now 14 years old. Now we went to, remember, we went to midwifery care. Yes. And like went to like all the birth classes, etc. Maybe one of the greatest words in the English language. Midwifery. It's not so bad. It really is. There's something that feels good about it rolling off the tongue.
1:28.5	So they talk about co-bedding, co-sleeping, et cetera, skin on skin contact, like, you
1:35.2	know, bonding with your child, you know, why would you put your child away?
1:40.0	This is our thing, right?
1:41.5	So we have a bassinet next to the bed, but so normally, so if Rye wants to feed or whatever, she's going to pull him out. He's right there. Just do a side latch. Yeah. Bada bitty boom. It's good to go, right? So then eventually we start to move him into his crib. And it's not a joyous transition.
2:02.6	In his own room.
2:03.6	In his own room.
2:04.6	Got it.
2:05.6	In his own room.
2:06.6	And he would cry or whatnot.
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