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Don't be rotted.

Hi, welcome to characters. My name is Laura Diaz. Welcome to our second episode of characters.

I am so excited. Thank you so much for tuning in last week to our conversation with Pamela Debar.

Today we are having a conversation with my friend Kate Riccio. She's a content creator focused on the reality TV space. And we're talking about the economy of reality TV, the

opportunities that come with reality TV, how things have developed in the reality TV world

over time. This conversation was fun. It was giggly. I hope you really, really enjoy it. It was fabulous to hang out with Kate and have this conversation about all the things that we both love. If you're tuning into the show for the first time, make sure that you are subscribed and following wherever it is that you're listening today. The video version of this podcast is available on YouTube only, at least for now. You can also rate and review the show

wherever you're listening today. You can also comment on Spotify, which I'm really enjoying.

And if you want to get in touch on socials, all of my links are going to be down below.

And with that, let's jump into the episode.

Branson. Kate Rikio, welcome to characters.

Thank you so much for having me, Laura. It's a pleasure to be here. I've probably said this a million times. I think this is the nicest podcast studio I've ever been in. Shout out to Cloud 10. They know what they're doing over here. I was so glad you're here. Thank you. I'm also really surprised this is the first time we're meeting in person because I feel like I already know you. Well, you don't live here, which was a crazy shock to me. I didn't know that until I was speaking to another one of your guests. And she was like, yeah, no, she doesn't live here. She lives in Denver. I was like, how have we never met? Yeah. It's funny that we've never crossed. Well, now we Yeah. Now we have. Well, I'll be around. Okay, you let me know. I'm here. I was so, I'm so, so happy that we're doing this. Yeah. I love your content. I've been a consumer for a long time before we were internet friends. Very sweet. I know that you started your career in scripted television. So I'd love to talk a little bit about that before we talk reality TV, because I have to imagine, fascinating foundation to what we do now. Well, and I think it's so funny because I always tell people like, oh, I don't really do the career that I, like, moved out to L.A. to do. And everyone's, like, well, yeah, you do. You, like, talk about TV online. And I always say to them, but the world of unscripted reality is so different

than the world of like scripted television, obviously. But also at the same time, I've never really

like been on or around a reality show. So I don't really know how they're made. Like how would

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