Kate Bowler on Shame, Productivity, and Living with Chronic Pain

Death, Sex & Money

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Business, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Careers, Relationships, Sexuality

4.6 • 7.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 March 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

The professor and Everything Happens podcast host talks about growing up in a Mennonite community, living with chronic pain, and the small things that bring her joy.

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0:00.0	It's totally shame.
0:02.0	Uh-huh.
0:03.0	Like it's just something that was always in me that goes,
0:07.5	Oh, I guess a bad thing should probably happen to me.
0:11.5	Like I didn't learn it later.
0:13.5	Just felt weirdly true.
0:15.5	I mean, like a large part of wanting to really hold that up to the light
0:21.5	has informed a lot of my choices since is what a weird response.
0:27.0	This is Death, Sex, and Money.
0:33.0	The show from WNYC about the things we think about a lot
0:39.0	and need to talk about more.
0:42.0	I'm Anna Sales.
0:50.0	Kate Boller is a best-selling author,
0:52.5	a professor of American Religion at Duke,
0:54.5	and host of the podcast, Everything Happens.
0:57.5	She's also a survivor of stage 4 colon cancer,
1:00.5	and she lives with chronic pain.
1:02.5	When I wake up in the morning, I have a few minutes before I can tell how much pain I'm in.
1:10.5	So the first question is always,
1:12.5	do you take pain meds before it starts to get bad?
1:15.5	How long? What's that runway?
1:16.5	Uh-huh.
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