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Welcome to the bookcase listeners. I'm Charlie Gibson.

And I'm Kate Gibson. I'm very happy to be here this week because this is our very first completely self-congratulatory episode.

This is a podcast to pat yourself on the back, is it?

This is. I guess we could call this podcast, aren't we lucky?

Or we could call it, aren't we prescient?

Because the Pulitzer Prize for fiction is being shared by two authors.

And where did you hear about those authors?

I hope you heard about them and listened to them on past podcasts.

This is Barbara Kingsolver who wrote Demon Copperhead

and Ernan Diaz who wrote Trust. We talked to both of them in past weeks and they are sharing the

prize, deservedly so, the Pulitzer Prize for Best Fiction. These are both amazing, amazing books.

And the fact that we talked to both authors when these books were coming out, I think justifies the fact that we had James Comey take a vow of loyalty to the bookcase because we are clearly ahead of the pack. Now, I think it's really interesting that both of these books are sharing the Pulitzer this year. In some ways, to me, these books are two

sides of the same coin about where America is. Trust is very much a book about extreme wealth and

how extreme wealth affects someone personally. And Demon Copperhead is about extreme poverty, extreme rural poverty,

and how that tears apart the fabric of the family and how you can try to repair the fabric of

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