Kass and Mike Lazerow on Why Building Big Requires Feeling Deep | EP 620

Passion Struck with John R. Miles

John R. Miles

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🗓️ 5 June 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In this raw and deeply human episode of Passion Struck, I sit down with Kass and Mike Lazerow—serial entrepreneurs, early investors in Scopely and Liquid Death, and authors of the powerful new book, Shoveling Sh!t: A Love Story About the Entrepreneur’s Messy Path to Success.

We go far beyond startup strategy and dive into what most founders won’t say out loud: the loneliness, the identity loss, the trauma—and the daily choice to love through it all. This isn’t just a business story. It’s a blueprint for building anything real: a company, a relationship, a life—with soul at the center.

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0:00.0	Coming up next on Passion Struck.
0:02.2	I think the ego happens a lot.
0:05.2	It comes forward.
0:06.7	And I think a lot of founders get blinded by their ego and pride.
0:10.0	And we see this a lot when things aren't working.
0:13.2	So let's just say a founder has told us that X, Y, and Z need to happen this year.
0:19.1	And that's their plan.
0:20.7	And when there's enough data
0:22.2	that they're looking for, they're looking at that basically says none of it's working, that's
0:28.1	when the ego gets in the way. You start to see them trying to convince themselves that they
0:32.4	shouldn't pivot or that something's not working because they tell themselves stories. And those stories are attached to their ego.
0:39.3	Welcome to Passion Struck.
0:40.3	Hi, I'm your host, John R. Miles.
0:42.3	And on the show, we decipher the secrets, tips, and guidance of the world's most inspiring people
0:48.3	and turned their wisdom into practical advice for you and those around you.
0:53.3	Our mission is to help you unlock the power of intentionality so that you can become the best version of yourself.
1:01.0	If you're new to the show, I offer advice and answer listener questions on Fridays.
1:06.0	We have long-form interviews the rest of the week with guests ranging from astronauts to authors
1:11.8	CEOs creators innovators scientists military leaders visionaries and athletes now let's go out
1:19.8	there and become passion struck hey passion struck fam welcome to episode 620 i'm your host john
1:26.5	miles this is a space for the curious, the courageous, the ones building lives that aren't just impressive on paper, but aligned in spirit, a community of seekers, builders, and change makers who believe that impact starts with integrity and that meaning isn't something you stumble
1:45.6	into. It's something you create on purpose. If you've been here a while, thank you. Your presence,
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