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Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on IHart Radio. I got a listener email. I love listener emails about a segment I did

on a recent episode of the show. It was from my interview with Liz Wolfe last week.

Liz and I were talking about the idea that life ends after you have kids.

I'll play a short clip from it.

I think the thing that's really frustrating to me is like it feels like people live in this world of binary, like very false choices and binaries where it's like either you

have to be full on feminist girl bossing it up and wait until you're 45 to have kids and

make sure you freeze your eggs or you have to be like barefoot and pregnant eternally

in the kitchen. And to me, this just like, it's such a pointless conversation that people

have surrounding trowd wifery and motherhood

because like this isn't actually how people operate in the wild.

At all.

I have a job.

I also have a child who I spend a lot of time with.

There are lots of people who have these sort of hybrid arrangements.

And there are also lots of people who maybe they have one vision for the timeline that these things will

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