Karim Atiyeh - Building Ramp - [Invest Like the Best, EP.445]

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Colossus

Technology, Business, Investing

4.7 • 2.5K Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 107 minutes

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My guest today is Karim Atiyeh. Karim is the co-founder and CTO of Ramp, the fastest-growing finance automation platform in history, reaching over $1 billion in revenue in just over five years. Ramp is, of course, also our presenting sponsor, so I’m obviously very biased in how highly I think about Ramp and about Karim. But, this interview was not part of that sponsorship, I simply view Karim as one of the best operators active today. Ramp is building what Karim calls "self-driving finance"—using AI agents to automate everything from expense policy enforcement to invoice processing, eliminating the bureaucratic waste that plagues modern businesses. Karim shares his framework for moving from using AI as a productivity tool to programming AI as your actual product, with policy agents that understand context better than humans and improve continuously. Our discussion captures the relentless iteration speed and technical depth required to build generational companies in the age of AI. We explore his systematic approach to building consumer-grade experiences for business software, the psychology behind his "divinely discontent" management style, and why he believes technical founders will dominate this era because they can see possibilities others miss. Please enjoy my conversation with Karim Atiyeh. For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ----- This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Ramp’s mission is to help companies manage their spend in a way that reduces expenses and frees up time for teams to work on more valuable projects. Go to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ramp.com/invest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to sign up for free and get a $250 welcome bonus. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Ridgeline⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Ridgeline has built a complete, real-time, modern operating system for investment managers. It handles trading, portfolio management, compliance, customer reporting, and much more through an all-in-one real-time cloud platform. Head to⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ridgelineapps.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to learn more about the platform. – This episode is brought to you by⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ AlphaSense⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. AlphaSense has completely transformed the research process with cutting-edge AI technology and a vast collection of top-tier, reliable business content. Invest Like the Best listeners can get a free trial now at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Alpha-Sense.com/Invest⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and experience firsthand how AlphaSense and Tegus help you make smarter decisions faster. ----- Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://thepodcastconsultant.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠). Show Notes: (00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best (00:05:09) The Competitive Landscape and AI Advancements (00:07:27) Building Self-Driving Finance with AI (00:08:28) Policy Agents and Automation (00:12:14) Ramp's User Experience and Design Philosophy (00:23:10) Kareem's Background and Entrepreneurial Journey (00:28:06) Founding Paribus and Lessons Learned (00:41:57) The Birth of Ramp and Early Challenges (00:54:30) Nurturing Investor Relationships (00:57:10) Challenges in Fundraising (00:58:23) Customer Adoption and Product Evolution (01:01:55) Transition to SaaS Revenue Model (01:06:37) Marketing Innovations and Experiments (01:24:16) Recruiting for Spikiness and Speed (01:31:29) Future of Payments and Business Models (01:39:06) The Kindest Thing

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0:00.0	The best operators have a relentless focus on leverage, finding ways to multiply their impact
0:04.7	rather than just working harder. But here's what I see happening in finance teams everywhere,
0:09.0	brilliant people getting buried in expense management busy work. If you think about it,
0:12.8	you become a finance leader because you love strategic work, modeling scenarios, optimizing capital
0:17.2	allocation, finding the insights that actually move the business forward. But instead,
0:20.8	you're chasing receipts and categorizing transactions.
0:23.1	It's the opposite of leverage.
0:24.8	This is exactly why I'm so bullish on what the team at Ramp has built.
0:28.5	Kareem and Eric understood that every minute spent on manual expense management is a minute
0:32.4	stolen from high leverage work.
0:34.0	So they automated all of it.
0:35.6	Automatic categorization, receipt matching, spending controls that
0:38.6	actually work. I love the network effect that this creates. When finance teams at companies like Shopify
0:43.7	and Stripe automate the mundane stuff, they free up cycles to think bigger, to ask for your questions,
0:48.5	spot patterns others miss, and make the kind of strategic bets that separate great companies from good
0:53.0	ones. The math is simple. Get your time back, focus on what matters.
0:57.2	Check out ramp.com slash invest and see what happens when you eliminate the busy work.
1:01.4	Cards issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC, terms and conditions apply.
1:05.7	In asset management, growth often depends on customization.
1:08.6	It's the nature of the beast in our industry, and I know having
1:11.1	experienced the problem firsthand as an active manager, it's a competitive differentiator to tailor
1:15.8	products and services to clients' preferences. Those of us growing our businesses always want to say yes
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