This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reid.

All right, so I'll watch the first one, then I'll hear your argument, Mr. Brennan, and Mr. Jackson.

Thank you.

So, Ms. Gilman, if you play that first one, please.

They had pulled into the driveway before me,

so I was deluded she saw my craft sailing

and was thinking, did you hit my son?

I would sense from her that she was guling at me very wearily.

And then when John's nephew came home, I just wanted to see him and squeeze up.

Come home.

It was quite uncomfortable.

I said, Dad, come upstairs to the master's bedroom.

I said, I think I need to leave.

Because I think John's mother thinks I did something to jump.

All right, so tell me why I should admit that clip.

You should admit this clip because it demonstrates consciousness of guilt.

On the morning of John's death, Ms. O'Keefe sees her son at the hospital

and goes back to Mr. O'Kee's home. In the driveway is the alleged murder weapon, the Lexus, with the broken

tail light. It's the middle of a snowstorm, and a prelude to that is there is a phone call from the defendant's father to the Dighton police looking for a ride to go in and see his daughter at the Good Samaritan Hospital.

He's looking for a police ride because the weather conditions are so terrible.

When the Dighton Police Department declines that ride, he gets the

assistance of his son and his son and his son's wife pick him up and bring him to the hospital.

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