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Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

Karen Read's Fatal Assumption Why Did She Think He Was Outside

Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary

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🗓️ 7 May 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Karen Read's Fatal Assumption Why Did She Think He Was Outside

Before anyone saw a body, before a single flake of snow was disturbed on the front lawn, Karen Read reportedly said, “Did I hit him?” And just like that, the prosecution’s timeline had a behavioral anchor. In this episode, retired FBI Special Agent Robin Dreeke joins us to analyze what that kind of pre-discovery assumption means — not in speculation, but in behavioral science.

We break down what makes this moment so critical: no one had seen John O’Keefe at that point, yet Karen’s panic went straight to the idea that he was not just outside, but already hurt — or worse, dead. Was this just anxiety spinning out of control? Or something more telling?

Robin takes us inside how trained profilers evaluate guilt leakage, subconscious narrative shifts, and the crucial difference between panic and prediction. This isn’t just about what was said — it’s when it was said, and how the tone, timing, and instinctual phrasing could offer the jury a moment of truth hidden in chaos.

If you’re tracking the Karen Read trial, this is the behavioral pivot point. Don’t miss it.


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0:00.0

This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Brewski and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reid.

0:07.4

Because we have to, and there's no choice, because everyone's talking about it, and we can't stop talking about it.

0:13.2

We're diving back into the Karen Reid trial.

0:16.2

Yeah, and there's more drama in this.

0:18.8

Thicker than the Boston fog.

0:20.9

Karen Reid's accused of running down her boyfriend,

0:23.8

Boston cop John O'Keefe, with her SUV in a 22 blizzard and leaving him to freeze.

0:28.3

The prosecution's leaning hard on to Jennifer McCabe, who says,

0:32.9

Reed screamed, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, like she was auditioning for a true crime doc.

0:38.8

Meanwhile, the defense is peddling a theory that O'Keefe was beaten up inside a house and framed,

0:44.3

which sounds like it belongs in a conspiracy podcast, not a courtroom.

0:48.0

It's a mess of a he said, she said, and here to cut through the noise, retired FBI special

0:53.4

agent Robin Drake,

0:54.5

whose behavioral analysis skills are going to come in handy here. Robin, McCabe's testimony,

1:00.4

and we're going to watch some of it here in just a little bit. It seems to be the prosecution's

1:04.2

golden ticket thus far, but the defense says she's less reliable than a tabloid. We'll watch some of the testimony in just a little bit.

1:13.7

But overall, what have you been gleaning out of the testimony that we've seen thus far out of her?

1:20.0

You're seeing what we expect to see and what we've always seen, and that is I think we're seeing someone

1:24.3

under high stress with a lot on the line with a lot of moving parts

1:27.7

in our life. And I think it's congruent for the situation in stress she's under. And you really

1:33.2

hit a key point, I think, which is going differently this time than last time, is that the

1:38.3

defense is doubling down on these conspiracy theories with no supporting data. Yeah. I think it's falling apart.

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