This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against

Karen Reid. It continues to get more and more interesting in the trial of Karen Reid every single day,

new testimony, easy, easier swing kind of along the line of can there be reasonable doubt?

Is there not reasonable doubt? And it's swinging back and forth

quite a bit. In my opinion, it's been swinging the line of, there's at least manslaughter charges

going on here. But to second degree, where are we at? Again, that seems to change almost all the time.

Robin Drake, retired FBI special agent, chief of the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program.

Joining us, we'll dive into a lot of different angles in this. But since we last talked,

there's been a lot of witnesses on the stand, including a medical examiner,

including the, which is also the person who did the autopsy on Karen Reid, the kids have testified,

and several others. What, what to you has stood out in this last week as some of the most

compelling testimony in this trial? Yeah, as you're saying, Tony, you know, this thing swings back and forth.

This is probably the most challenging case we've ever looked at together just because of

the swing back and forth, both between the first trial and our focus on law enforcement

and their credible missteps on to this trial, which is everyone's doing a much better job,

both defense and prosecution.

This week, I'll tell you, the medical examiner's testimony was really compelling for me this week.

She said a lot of things because, again, we've got to remember that I think the most challenging thing that we sometimes have is thinking in terms of reasonable doubt.

And that's what this defense is doing a really good job of this week.

So I think it was a good week for defense on reasonable doubt.

Not that she didn't do it 100%, but there's reasonable doubt that she may not have.

And so I think that's what the medical examiner really did a good job of for defense is saying,

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