This is Hidden Killers Week in review. I look back at the most prolific stories of the week.

This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski. We are diving deeper into the Karen Reed case today,

not just the what's, the when, or the where we're going deep into the why. Why do certain people stick

to narratives that seem to defy evidence? Why do others double down on a narrative even when it

starts falling apart? And more importantly, how do you spot the difference between a truth teller

and someone selling you a polished high gloss version of events.

Joining us is someone who spent his career doing exactly that, retired FBI special agent, Robin Drake,

former head of the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program. Robin, let's start here from your

perspective when you see a suspect publicly doubling down in their interviews, aggressively

pushing a counter-narrative while seemingly disregarding contradictory evidence or contradictory

things that she said in the past that are directly different than what it was now.

What are the behavioral tells you're looking for that might point to deception versus

conviction?

There's a lot to unpacking that.

Yeah, there is.

So let's, boy, we can go deception versus truth if you want first.

And that is, because that's the toughest one.

No one knows, though.

No one can predict deception from truth.

And so especially when you have, has been so noted so many times by us and others,

when you have so much alcohol involved, and then, yes, you have time passing, you have false

narratives and false memories implanted in your brain. And then kind of morphed it into the topic

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