So I have Karen Newell here today.

Last week we spoke about gratitude and the heart.

And today on the space in between life, death and the space between.

We're just going to take a moment, Karen.

And I want to hear how you live your life with no regrets

or try to. Well, the thing to remember about all the things we might be, you know,

regretting in our lives is that they turn out to be usually very important lessons. And so I've

learned to be very grateful for those types of things. One of those

examples being when I was 11 years old and I was caught shoplifting. This was a horrible,

horrible, humiliating, shameful experience where I just thought my life was over. I was going to jail.

Nobody would love me ever again.

And I did regret it.

But as time went by, I regret it ever stealing.

But as time went by, I realized that because the police were called and it turned into quite a dramatic incident, if I had not had that experience, something I would have normally just regretted, I would never have learned this vital firsthand lesson of living my life with integrity.

Well, and I remember you, because you talked about this experience at the class that we took, and one of the things that you said was how you were responded to.

Oh, yes. When I responded to that, I realized I was the one who caused this. This was no one else's

fault but mine. This is something called internal locus of control in psychology, where what you

believe is that your actions actually helped to

form the world around you and I took full responsibility for that and blamed no one but myself and

that was also incredibly important piece of that process and you weren if I recall, you weren't shamed for it.

I was not shamed for it.

My mother actually forgave me very quickly because really in reality, I was probably one of the easiest,

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