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The Lawfare Podcast

Karen J. Greenberg on the Intertwined Stories of Saifullah and Uzair Paracha

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Earlier this month, a Pakistani man named Majid Khan started his new life in Belize after spending nearly half his previous life in U.S. detention, first at a CIA black site where he was subjected to torture and other mistreatment, and then at Guantanamo Bay. Lawfare managing editor Tyler McBrien sat down with Karen J. Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham University School of Law, and the author of several books, to discuss one of Khan's fellow inmates, Saifullah Paracha, as well Saifullah’s son Uzair. They discussed Karen's recent Lawfare article on the Parachas, the separate but intertwined systems of justice that the father and son navigated, and Guantanamo Bay's fraught past and uncertain future.

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There have been over 600 terrorism trials related to international,

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jihadist terrorism trial since 9-11.

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And many of them have presented factual evidence about plots and plans for terrorism.

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And many of them have not.

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And so I think it and I've attended many of those trials and sort of watched these attempts to

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what it means to be associated with al-Qaeda.

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How what kind of evidence would make it look as if somebody actually was plotting a terrorist attack.

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And a lot of these, though some of these cases have been from start to finish produced evidence that's been very compelling.

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Others have been very much taken place within the context of 9-11 happened

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and we need to address this in a proactive preventive way.

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So I just thought this was an interesting case because I wondered if you opened up other cases.

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What else you would find in the new context of 2020 and not 2005-2008.

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I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of LawFair.

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And this is the LawFair podcast February 16th, 2023.

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Earlier this month, a Pakistani man named Majid Khan started his new life in Belize after spending nearly half his previous life in US detention.

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First at a CIA black site where he was subjected to torture and other mistreatment and then at Guantanamo Bay.

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