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Karen Hao's new book is a skeptical look at Sam Altman and Elon Musk's AI empire

NPR's Book of the Day

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🗓️ 26 May 2025

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

OpenAI was founded as a nonprofit meant to conduct artificial intelligence research that would benefit the general public. In the company's early days, reporter Karen Hao arranged to spend time in OpenAI's offices and noticed the culture there was incredibly secretive. That secrecy raised questions for Hao that ultimately resulted in her new book, Empire of AI. The book is an intimate look at the company behind ChatGPT, but also at the industry-wide race to control AI. In today's episode, she speaks with NPR's Steve Inskeep about early disagreements between founders Sam Altman and Elon Musk, Altman's talents for fundraising and storytelling, and how the AI race is reproducing elements of colonial empire.

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0:00.0

Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbong. Some of the world's greatest storytellers

0:07.6

aren't authors, poets, filmmakers, or musicians. They're salesmen. This is a point that comes up in

0:14.2

today's book, Empire of AI. It's written by journalist Karen Howe, and it's a deep look at

0:18.8

Open AI. That's the artificial intelligence company

0:21.8

that started as a nonprofit with the idea that you could develop AI for good. The company's

0:29.0

CEO is Sam Altman, and he got there not by being an inventor or an engineer. As Howell tells

0:35.1

NPR Steve Inskeep, Altman holds status in the world of AI because he's a, quote,

0:40.1

once-in-a-generation storytelling talent.

0:43.2

That's coming up.

0:44.9

In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily life.

0:49.7

Distant wars, murky conflicts, diplomacy behind closed doors.

0:56.2

On our new show, Sources and Methods.

1:01.3

NPR reporters on the ground bring you stories of real people helping you understand why distant events matter here at home. Listen to sources and methods on the NPR app or wherever you get

1:07.0

your podcasts. We have a skeptical look at one of the most famous companies of our time.

1:13.6

Karen Howe wrote it.

1:14.7

She's a journalist who first covered Open AI six years ago when it was promising to develop

1:20.1

artificial intelligence ethically.

1:22.1

It was founded as a research nonprofit meant to do this kind of fundamental research

1:27.3

for, as it said, the benefit of all of humanity. And it was meant to do this kind of fundamental research for, as it said,

1:28.9

the benefit of all of humanity. And it was meant to open source that research to be for the

1:34.0

public benefit. The word open was right there in the name. Open AI had the backing of tech giants,

1:39.5

including Elon Musk, who worried about AI's future effects on the world.

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